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He felt he was romanticizing, turning ordinary human experience into a mythic dimension; but wanted to get back to what is heroic on its own terms, and what is interesting in everyday life\n\t\t033\tHe discusses Burke Sproxton’s book Headframe about Flin Flon\n\t\t044\tPauline Butling : that romanticizing impulse has plagued Nichol from the start.  How does he resist it?\n\t\t047\tbpN: What is seductive about it is a voice tone he can get into.  It can become the “lyric I” or the “self-aggrandizing I” that is treacherous.  There’s no modulation of tone\n\t\t069\tbpN: In the Plunkett Hotel is a new poem, but is the best writing out of the experience of his earlier work\n\t\t093\t“Plunkett Hotel” comes out of a maternal grandmother’s family reunion Nichol attended in Plunkett, Saskatchewan\n\t\t181\tButling reads quote of Frank Davey’s criticizing bp Nichol’s work as irrelevant “visual poetry” and stating that poetry is still a language, and language of sound, rhythms, stress and pitch, and not just visual shapes\n\t\t204\tUnexplained search for a source (to the aforementioned quote??)  Nichol speaks of Alfred Kallir, who wrote Sign and Design, a psychogenetic (?) history of the alphabet; first published a monograph in 1944 called V is for Victory, then expounded on alphabet of the history of the world in Sign and Design, (an influential text for Nichol)\n\t\t221\tButling asks about The Flower Poem, recorded on High Barnett cassettes\n\t\t266\tMasaoka Shiki – Japanese poet mentioned by Nichol.  Nichol says he is doing a paraphrase of Shiki’s haiku from his First Record of my Peonies\n\t\t276\tPB: Likes context, and says criticism must establish a context in which the work can be read\n\t\t283\tbpN: Criticism is a written record of a reading process and provides the reader with a different accessing of the book\n\t\t301\tDiscussion of bp Nichol’s use of epigrams – Epi stands for epigrams a reversal of the technique he later gets into with the mathematical signs\n\t\t342\tBp Nichol refers to the Lost Literature of Medieval England; one of his fascinations is with works that don’t last.  In this book on books which were written, but no copies exist, was a reference to Buamundus; a character which has only one reference in English literature.  A child is named Buamundus as a joke, but we don’t know what the joke means\n\t\t363\tReferences to the meanings of crow\n\t\t372\tHistorically there are 2 St. Valentines.  One of them has the crow as his totem, found in the Dictionary of English Saints\n\t\t382\tButling is looking for themes of the multiples of doubles\n\t\t397\tNichol talks about returning to the idea of a historical narrative in The Martyrology in Book 1 and Book 6\n\t\t405\tNichol talks about taking 2 actual disciples of Christ about whom nothing is known and using the historical actuality that real people provide\n\t\t423\tButling asks about the rhetorical voice in Waves Against the Boat as the one Nichol is always resisting.  Is it o.k. to use it here because it is historical?\n\t\t424\tNichol says he is not taking personal history and claiming for himself privilege by being connected to mythic figures.  If we say our grandparents were mythic, we are saying we are one with the gods.  This is self-aggrandizement, two generations removed, whereas Nichol is using the tools of history to describe a certain situation and to deal with the problem in writing that kind of historical narrative\n\t\t433\tContinental Trance is the Canadian travel poem taken on.  Butling calls it the apocalyptic narrative\n\t\t438\tButling asks if Nichol investigated the research on the Bible in connection to the two figures Nichol uses.  Refers to the debate around the figure of Daniel\n\t\t444\tNichol refers to an MA thesis of a friend on James, the younger brother of the Lord – Jesus’ younger brother, used in his research, as well as alternate histories of the church, documents written by drooling fanatics, non-drooler documents, etc.\n\t\t454\tNichol found information to prove the Catholic Church did wipe out the English Christian Church, that was seen as a pagan tradition\n\t\t467\tNichol talks about a piece of work that is unnamed.  Butling asks where Nichol is “at” in terms of Book 5.  Suggests a real sense of loss\n\t\t491\tThe notion of imperfection is crucial to the whole beginning idea of The Martyrology.  Failure, imperfection, success has to be there structurally.  It is an argument with the notion that history was on a superhuman scale rather than “just a bunch of assholes that went around beating people up”\n\t\t516\tDiscussion of Vander Zalm leading people down the garden path with simplicity in poetics vs. the difficult structure of The Martyrology\n\t\t530\tButling comments on the structure of The Martyrology.  Bp Nichol suggests people approach his poetry like music and take what they like from it\n\t\t536\tNichol tells anecdote of a reading to students at Mohawk College in the 70’s\n\t\t580\tButling: How do you see these books interacting with one another?\n\t\t582\tBook 6 began with the imperfection of prophecy; up until then The Martyrology consisted of separate books begun and finished individually.  Nichol discusses how this changes with the carryover of themes in Book 5 to Book 6.  The twelve chains of Book 5 became the six books of Book 6\nTwo\t\t007\tSide Two Tape 1 begins\n\t\t015\tNichol discusses family reunion and his poetic themes; “The grace of the moment,” in which one finds the strength to deal with death\n\t\t084\tButling questions the use of form in The Martyrology\n\t\t093\tNichol discusses the dialogue between closed form and open form\n\t\t107\tNichol on inspiration and states of mind and The Book of Hours\n\t\t165\tButling on the arbitrariness of forms and the contemporary poet, does this form avoid the poet’s ego?\n\t\t188\tNichol discusses the structures “The Plunkett Hotel”, and Continental Trance\n\t\t197\tButling: Does taking those arbitrary forms free you from thinking about form?\n\t\t199\tNichol says it creates an extra tension, an external factor and elaborates briefly\n\t\t220\tButling: Does the punning and word play get you away from intention?\n\t\t223\tNichol talks about the objectivity these bring in to the work.  Point of view creates reality and its own argument\n\t\t240\tButling asks if the post-modern poets have dealt with the modernist question of absence through form\n\t\t284\tButling notes that word play hasn’t become dull or repetitive in Nichol’s work\n\t\t295\tNichol discusses formal advance of structure in Books I-VI\n\t\t317\tNichol talks about ideas for a new form for Book 10; The Bard project, a kind of Frankenstein monster of form in which he would work his way through every closed and open form\n\t\t440\tThey discuss Phyllis Webb’s poetry\n\t\t474\tGossip about the Montreal scene, F.R. 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