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A great deal of silence in these poems, words surrounded by silence. Working off pauses and spaces.\n- “Strobic”: sitting in a barber’s chair, observing. Hearing and seeing. To what extent is the poem about poetry? To some extent every poem as metapoetic/metaliterary.\n- The range of subject matter in Cooley’s poems. What are the possible forms for poetry in our time? The challenge of writing is to find models to describe experience. Reading of other poems, that poems beget poems. Cooley argues that all poems are love poems (Robert Kroetsch wouldn’t go that far).\n- “Curse”: Someone arguing that Cooley only sees women as machines in Bloody Jack, writing this poem in response to what he considers a “pretty simple-minded” reading.\n- The poem almost forgetting its subject, getting caught up in the language\n- Excerpt from Cooley’s essay “Vernacular Muse” read by Andrews.\n- Crisis of audience in Canadian literature\n- “Sonia”: gains power by virtue of her sexuality. The audience looking at the object of the jar is very much like the audience of the poem, compelled yet somewhat resisting.\n- Connection between being a poet and working as an editor. Discussing small presses and the state of publishing in Canada.\n- “Muse”: How do you write an elegy which resists consolation? Grief as silence.\n- No acts are a-political, including literature.\n"],"contents":["Jim Andrews\n[00:00:00]\nIntroduces Robert Kroetsch and Dennis Cooley.\nRobert Kroetsch\n[00:04:08]\nBegins Interview with and Dennis Cooley.\nDennis Cooley\n[00:06:00]\nReads \"Making Up\" from Bloody Jack.\nDennis Cooley\n[00:10:25]\nReads \"You With the Stars in Your Eyes\".\nDennis Cooley\n[00:12:33]\nReads \"Strobic Flies\".\nDennis Cooley\n[00:21:55]\nReads \"A Curse on a Critic\".\nDennis Cooley\n[00:25:57]\nEND Side 1\nJim Andrews and second side.\nJim Andrews\n[00:27:30]\nReads \"Vernacular Muse\".\nRobert Kroetsch\n[00:33:35]\nResumes interview.\nDennis Cooley\n[00:35:36]\nReads \"Sonia Orlauski\".\nDennis Cooley\n[00:44:15]\nReads \"The Muse of Absence\"."],"Note":["[{\"note\":\"\",\"type\":\"\"}]"],"Related_works":["[{\"url\":\"\",\"citation\":\"Bloody Jack\"}]"],"_version_":1853670558525292546,"timestamp":"2026-01-07T15:00:02.734Z","score":6.399775}]