[{"id":"5885","cataloger_name":["Kate,Moffatt"],"partnerInstitution":["Simon Fraser University"],"collection_source_collection":["Reading in BC Collection"],"source_collection_label":["Reading in BC Collection"],"collection_contributing_unit":["SFU Library"],"source_collection_uri":[""],"collection_image_url":[""],"collection_source_collection_description":["Reading in BC collection was assembled during the late 1970s and ‘80s. There are approximately 1000 tapes in this collection. It consists of the recordings of Canadian and American writers, mostly poets, reading poems, talking, being interviewed, participating in panel discussions, and so on. Most of the recordings were made in BC, but there are some made elsewhere in Canada or the USA. Quite a few of these recordings are unique copies, not to be found elsewhere."],"collection_source_collection_id":["MsC 199"],"persistent_url":[""],"item_title":["Interview with Robert Trammel conducted by Gerald Burns with Joe Camrey at Dallas Institute of Humanities & Culture on October 20, 1982 #613"],"item_title_source":["cassette and j-card"],"item_language":["English"],"item_production_context":["Documentary recording"],"item_identifiers":["[]"],"rights":["Copyright Not Evaluated (CNE)"],"creator_names":["Burns, Gerald","Camrey, Joe","Trammell, Robert"],"creator_names_search":["Burns, Gerald","Camrey, Joe","Trammell, Robert"],"creators":["[{\"url\":\"https://viaf.org/viaf/20961150/\",\"name\":\"Burns, Gerald\",\"dates\":\"1940-1997\",\"notes\":\"\",\"nation\":[],\"role\":[\"Interviewer\"]},{\"url\":\"\",\"name\":\"Camrey, Joe\",\"dates\":\"\",\"notes\":\"\",\"nation\":[],\"role\":[\"Interviewer\"]},{\"url\":\"http://viaf.org/viaf/13563976\",\"name\":\"Trammell, Robert\",\"dates\":\"1939-\",\"notes\":\"\",\"nation\":[],\"role\":[\"Speaker\",\"Reader\"]}]"],"contributors":["[]"],"Performance_Date":[1982],"material_description":["[{\"side\":\"\",\"image\":\"../Uploads/6249/Reading in BC_MsC199_613.jpg\",\"other\":\"\",\"extent\":\"1/8 inch\",\"AV_types\":\"Audio\",\"tape_brand\":\"\",\"generations\":\"\",\"Conservation\":\"\",\"equalization\":\"\",\"playback_mode\":\"Stereo\",\"playing_speed\":\"\",\"sound_quality\":\"Good\",\"recording_type\":\"Analogue\",\"storage_capacity\":\"\",\"physical_condition\":\"Excellent\",\"track_configuration\":\"2 track\",\"material_designation\":\"Cassette\",\"physical_composition\":\"Magnetic Tape\",\"accompanying_material\":\"J-card\",\"other_physical_description\":\" Black and white clear jewel case with J-card\"}]"],"material_designations":["Cassette"],"physical_compositions":["Magnetic Tape"],"recording_type":["Analogue"],"AV_type":["Audio"],"playback_mode":["Stereo"],"digital_description":["[{\"file_url\":\"\",\"file_path\":\"\",\"filename\":\"613-side-1.mp3\",\"channel_field\":\"Stereo\",\"sample_rate\":\"44.1 kHz\",\"duration\":\"T00:46:47\",\"precision\":\"\",\"size\":\"59.7 MB\",\"bitrate\":\"32 bit\",\"encoding\":\"WAV for master files and .MP3 for online files\",\"contents\":\"\",\"notes\":\"\",\"title\":\"\",\"credit\":\"\",\"caption\":\"\",\"content_type\":\"\",\"featured\":\"\",\"public_access_url\":\"\"},{\"file_url\":\"\",\"file_path\":\"\",\"filename\":\"613-side-2.mp3\",\"channel_field\":\"Stereo\",\"sample_rate\":\"44.1 kHz\",\"duration\":\"T00:46:47\",\"precision\":\"\",\"size\":\"59.8 MB\",\"bitrate\":\"32 bit\",\"encoding\":\"WAV for master files and .MP3 for online files\",\"contents\":\"\",\"notes\":\"\",\"title\":\"\",\"credit\":\"\",\"caption\":\"\",\"content_type\":\"\",\"featured\":\"\",\"public_access_url\":\"\"}]"],"Dates":["[{\"date\":\"1982-10-20\",\"type\":\"Performance Date\",\"notes\":\"\",\"source\":\"J-card\"}]"],"Location":["[{\"url\":\"https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/471558978\",\"venue\":\"Dallas Institute of Humanities and Culture\",\"notes\":\"\",\"address\":\"2719 Routh St. Dallas, Texas 75201\",\"latitude\":\"32.79741\",\"longitude\":\"-96.8035\"}]"],"Address":["2719 Routh St. Dallas, Texas 75201"],"Venue":["Dallas Institute of Humanities and Culture"],"content_notes":["SFU BC Readings formatting"],"Note":["[{\"note\":\"\",\"type\":\"\"}]"],"Related_works":["[]"],"_version_":1853670554185236483,"timestamp":"2026-01-07T14:59:58.590Z","contents":["Side\tTrack\tNo.\tComments\nOne\t\t000\t\n\t\t006\tVoice over introducing interview\n\t\t008\tUnknown voice reading what appears to be verse\n\t\t010\tVoice over introducing interview for the third time\n\t\t011\tBrief background on Robert Trammel\n\t\t014\tRobert Trammel corrects the interviewer on the background information\n\t\t016\tInterview begins centering on Trammel’s bias, in particular myth & life in East Texas\n\t\t036\tEmphasis on Trammel’s use of oral Texas myth tradition\n\t\t064\tTrammel’s New York experiences\n\t\t092\tDiscussion on O’Hara, Creeley, Olson, Pound, etc. that is broken off prematurely\n\t\t110\tThe motivational forces behind the new book\n\t\t140\tBesides birds, Burns notes, there are few animals mentioned.  He asks why.  A digression by Trammel on the stupidity of turkeys\n\t\t165\tBurns asks Trammel to read a few poems\n\t\t167\tTrammel consents but continues on a digression on the lack of available culture when he was growing up in East Texas\n\t\t179\t“The day begins in the back hall…”\n\t\t193\tCamrey mentions motifs in the previous poem\n\t\t197\tTrammel responds\n\t\t212\t“The Long Hall That Splits the House”\n\t\t223\tBurns comments on the poem\n\t\t227\tTrammel talks about writing poems concerning “Houses”\n\t\t237\t“The Living Room” poem\n\t\t259\tBurns tries a weak joke “What do you use for your work, sex or drugs?”\n\t\t261\tTrammel responds, making a much better joke or rather a display of wit\n\t\t275\tDiscussion on violence and its involvement with love\n\t\t309\tBurns asks two disjointed questions: One concerning sport poems & one on his high school & college experiences\n\t\t320\tTrammel responds, discusses the Dallas Cowboy’s stadium as a temple\n\t\t358\tTrammel talks about non intentional art being real Art, he then reads from an article discussion Native Indian artistic tradition\n\t\t381\tBurns asks a long winded question concerning a poet living his poetry.  Trammel responds in kind\n\t\t427\tTrammel vs. the standard academic poets.  He wonders what is a “standard academic poet”?  He goes on to a pseudo-philosophical monologue on the state on modern poetry.  And solutions to the problems\n\t\t496\tBurns, semi-defensively talks about his own poetics\n\t\t509\t“Can other poets learn from you?”\n\t\t512\tTrammel responds discussing what he assumes is his audience, or rather is not his audience\n\t\t552\tBurns: “Do you think it is good to have audience you do not choose?”\n\t\t556\tDiscussion to change rooms and turn the tape over\n\t\t615\tSide one ends\nTwo\t\t000\t\n\t\t011\tInterview continues\n\t\t012\tTrammel reads some of his more recent work\n\t\t015\t“No one knew who live in hotels…”\n\t\t027\tBurns asks an irrelevant question concerning the previous poem\n\t\t028\tTrammel responds\n\t\t029\tDiscussion over what Trammel should read next\n\t\t032\t“Red and short…”\n\t\t043\tTrammel introduces the next poem\n\t\t045\t“This would fall fail first around the nail”\n\t\t053\tTrammel wonders if the poems work separately or in a group “referring back to themselves”\n\t\t055\tBurns talks about the mood Trammel creates [Burns can’t help but refer to his own work]  Trammel mentions the difficulty he has with having “persons” in his works, Olson & Pound are cited as examples\n\t\t080\t“The Jacksonville Poems” are brought up as well as the lack of interesting people & situations\n\t\t113\tCamrey brings up the element of disillusionment he senses in the poem, Burns argues with him.  Trammel sides with Camrey & goes on to seemingly inadvertently proving Camrey’s point\n\t\t158\tBurns brings up the mood of the room they are in.  Trammel says he would rather write a poem about it, then talk about it\n\t\t171\tBurns asks about past works specifically ones concerning “car wrecks”.  Trammel responds, seeing it as the Trickster element in Artists\n\t\t184\tTrammel, Burns says, “has kept his adolescence”.  Trammel sees his work not as nostalgia but as an attempt to get away from nostalgia\n\t\t191\tBurns brings up the religious background Trammel has\n\t\t213\t“Are you more sensitive to being duped or deceived?”  Trammel responds\n\t\t219\tA discussion develops over Trammel’s tendency to lie; Trammel says he doesn’t lie, he “Bullshits”, a myth-building trait.  People in New York, Trammel says, are very easy to bullshit\n\t\t251\t“Do you think you would have been that different if you hadn’t grown up in Texas?”\n\t\t255\tTrammel wonders when you start to become aware of where you grew up\n\t\t258\tA discussion on poets only becoming recognized when their talents begin to decrease.  Trammel puts it down to “expensive drugs” & offers acute insight.  The history of American poets going bad\n\t\t295\tThe freedom of being an obscure poet in America.  Allen Ginsberg is mention.  Trammel sees him as destroyed by celebrity, Burns says “…he handles it beautifully”\n\t\t314\tSalt Lake Press & its publisher Joe Hanney is brough up & its effect upon Burns & Trammel\n\t\t352\tCamrey asks a question concerning why a place so rich in artistic tradition as Texas has little time for poets.  Trammel responds, noting that songwriting has almost filled the poetry void.  A discussion ensues; citing culture is viewed in Texas as a feminine thing & the pseudo-french bent of Texas culture.  Dallas as a cultural centre\n\t\t489\tEndowment of poets & arts; the pitfalls\n\t\t510\tDallas culture & the poet in culture\n\t\t590\tBurns tries to paint Trammel as a bit of a cultural snob in comparison to himself.  Trammel responds\n\t\t615\tSide two ends"],"score":5.796019}]