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How it changes through the books.  A sketchy discussion evolves with bp Nichol very poorly miked and barely audible in the background – Wah exits discussion\n\t\t154\tButling states that content will take care of itself if bp Nichol looks after the form.  Discussion becomes even more inaudible\n\t\t217\tWah on a student’s book of poems, Robert McLean, who invented a line break\n\t\t253\tMike is moved to catch Nichol’s voice\n\t\t255\tNichol on pataphysical process in Book 2\n\t\t304\tButling : you’re committed to process, to things not ending, so how do you stop?\n\t\t307\tNichol says it’s arbitrary, it’s like a meditation\n\t\t315\tNichol says the poem is dealing with the absolute nature of the transitory\n\t\t325\tDeath brackets everything we’re talking about, which goes back to The Book of Hours\n\t\t350\tTrying to find an open structure which allows in the moment as well as a sense of history\n\t\t376\tButling on Nichol’s ability to exit the didactic voice through use of sound and multiple voices\n\t\t396\tSide One ends\nTwo\t\t009\tNichol on his family as a tribe with no national boundary\n\t\t022\tNichol has no place to return to, no hometown\n\t\t034\tNichol says he’s never become a regional poet because his family moved all the time.  Nichol says his childhood moving traumatized him.  Discussion ensues on the Canadian writing community\n\t\t072\tNichol’s theme on a notion of return, a return to language\n\t\t092\t“The Plunkett Hotel” is about the desperate attempt to establish roots.  A reclamation of what family was then\n\t\t125\tButling asks about community : what gives you permission to transgress, or to do things that aren’t considered acceptable or normal?\n\t\t147\tNichol on meeting Margaret Avison and her approval of his poetry\n\t\t167\tNichol on meeting McCaffery in 1968, support and publishing\n\t\t212\tNichol talks about media writing in later life and how it is not conducive to play"],"Note":["[{\"note\":\"BP Nichol with Fred Wah and Pauline Butling  November 16, 1986\\npart II \\nside 3: 28:57\\nside 4: 13:30\\nDOLBY B\\n#750\",\"type\":\"General\"},{\"note\":\"The first part of this interview is missing\",\"type\":\"\"},{\"note\":\"the length of the digital file's side 1 is T00:30:38 and side 2 is T00:15:42, but the performance only takes 28:57 on side 1 and 13:30 on side 2 and the rest of audio is empty \",\"type\":\"\"}]"],"Related_works":["[]"],"_version_":1853670553063260160,"timestamp":"2026-01-07T14:59:57.525Z","score":2.637115},{"id":"5832","cataloger_name":["Ben,Joseph"],"partnerInstitution":["Simon Fraser University"],"collection_source_collection":["Reading in BC Collection"],"source_collection_label":["Reading in BC Collection"],"collection_contributing_unit":["SFU Library"],"source_collection_uri":[""],"collection_image_url":[""],"collection_source_collection_description":["Reading in BC collection was assembled during the late 1970s and ‘80s. 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The Odyssey and The Divine Comedy as introductions to the long poem form\n\t\t086\tPatterson and Williams’ insistence on local pride\n\t\t114\trelation of American poetry to Kroetsch’s rural Canadian background\n\t\t138\tFred Wah talks about Olson studies in Buffalo, 1964\n\t\t160\tInfluence of Williams\n\t\t189\tThe New Criticism and John Donne as a model of lyric complexity\n\t\t212\tStudy of the long poem as a lesson in construction of the novel\n\t\t289\tDiscovering an old seed catalogue in an archive in Calgary, 1975, and the poem “Seed catalogue”  coming together\n\t\t337\tWhitman’s “Leaves of Grass” as a model, and the method of adding more material\n\t\t361\tIncompletion as an exciting model in [Chancer]*, Spencer & Whitman\n\t\t396\tTape ends\nTwo\t26:25 min\t000\t“Applegarth” publication of The Ledger\n\t\t036\tThe idea of Field notes – notes towards a fiction\n\t\t083\tT.S. Eliot as the failed modernist poet.  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